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Four Scientists Discuss Balancing Work, Life During Pandemic

Dr. Gisela Storz
Dr. Gisela Storz

Many ingredients go into the stew of life. Women with demanding careers try to take equal parts work and family time, mix in adequate sleep and exercise and sprinkle in some personal time. Often, though, certain areas of our lives heat up while others sit on a slow simmer. In normal times, it’s tough cooking on all these burners at once, let alone during a pandemic.

Four NIH women scientists recently discussed how they’re juggling their professional and personal responsibilities amid the altered schedules and uncertainty of the covid pandemic. The virtual lecture, part of the Office of Equity, Diversity and Inclusion’s Whole Woman seminar series, was moderated by Dr. Erika Barr, director of community college programs in NIH’s Office of Intramural Training and Education, who helped viewers get to know the women behind the science.

Dr. Audrey Thurm, whose three children are in middle school, high school and college, described the challenge of balancing work with being a mom and a wife. “The reality is, for a lot of us, a lot of what we do involves deep thinking and time to actually write,” she said. Getting it all done sometimes involves sending emails at unusual hours. 

Thurm stands outside, hugging her son, with her smartphone in hand.
Mom-in action Dr. Audrey Thurm of NIMH with her 13-year-old son, Jonah

Thurm, a child clinical psychologist who directs NIMH’s Neurodevelopmental and Behavioral Phenotyping Service, said her schedule continues to evolve during covid times. She used to get more work done after her kids went to bed, but now she gets a lot done while her kids do their virtual schooling.

Dr. Paule Joseph, who is a caregiver to her parents and a chronically ill sister, said she struggles to balance all her obligations. A Lasker Clinical Research Scholar, NIH distinguished scholar and chief of the sensory science and metabolism unit at NIAAA/NINR, she finds inspiration by surrounding herself with supportive colleagues. 

“The way I keep myself balanced and sane is by being diligent about my own spiritual practice,” said Joseph, who meditates daily. She also tries to make time for walks and other activities she enjoys.

Dr. Courtney Fitzhugh finds comfort in her faith. Also a Lasker scholar, Fitzhugh, an NHLBI investigator working on sickle cell disease, said making more time for her faith has improved her focus and productivity. Recently married, she also prioritizes spending quality time with her husband. The two have spent a lot of time lately bike-riding together on trails behind their house that, she has discovered, go all over D.C.

Fitzhugh on her bike with the trail and a lake behind her
Fitzhugh enjoys biking the trails near her home. Seen here at Lake Artemesia in Berwyn Heights, Md., about 3 miles from her home, Fitzhugh said, “I didn’t know this area existed until the pandemic when we started exploring the area more.” (Also, she removed her helmet, which she normally wears, for this photograph.)

Dr. Gisela Storz has steadied herself with exercise during the pandemic. “During this covid time, I’m doing an awful lot of walking,” said Storz, an NIH distinguished investigator who works on gene regulation at NICHD. “Whenever I’m tired of Zoom meetings, I walk, and I sometimes try to do meetings on the phone while I walk. That’s helped a lot.” 

Until recently, Storz said, she has had severe empty-nest syndrome. Now, during covid times, her three adult children are living at home again. While she enjoys the quality time together, as the dishes pile up daily in the sink, she’s starting to miss being an empty-nester. 

All four women discussed increased feelings of guilt and insecurity during the pandemic. With altered schedules and competing responsibilities, they’ve wondered: “Have I been a good enough scientist, mom, wife, friend? Am I taking care of myself?”

It’s a tough time for parents working at home while managing their kids’ schoolwork at the same time, noted Thurm. Minutes earlier, she shook her head at her off-camera daughter. “I’m experiencing it at this moment!” 

Dr. Paule Joseph
Dr. Paule Joseph

Joseph, who previously lived in New York, said she has grappled with both the grief of losing loved ones to covid and the guilt of being unable to be there to help or attend the funerals. But she finds comfort looking for the blessings in difficult times. “Many times, we rush into the lab, into the Clinical Center, and we don’t spend as much time as a family, bonding,” she said, appreciating the quality family time of recent months. 

“We cannot be doing it all,” said Thurm, who recommended taking mental health breaks. Meditate or take a few deep breaths, step outside, call a friend or put on some music. “Take a moment to recognize ourselves and connect our brains with our bodies,” she said. “We have to be in this for the marathon; there cannot be sprints right now.”

When times get tough, they remind themselves of why they’re in this field. One of the greatest rewards, they agreed, is mentoring. Joseph said she finds it especially gratifying to mentor women of diverse backgrounds, “showing that women of science don’t all look the same.”

Storz, who has worked at NIH for nearly 30 years, has enjoyed watching high school students she once mentored return to NIH as investigators. Fitzhugh agreed: “You’re giving others the tools that will help them succeed,” she said. “I love that because I’m a woman, that attracts other young women to come. I can see myself in them and it’s exciting to go through that process with them.”

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Dr. Paule Joseph, surrounded by 11 smiling colleagues.
Joseph (standing 4th from l) poses pre-pandemic with her team.

What advice would they give to young women scientists starting out? Be persistent. Keep trying, keep pushing.

“Learn what you’re passionate about, what makes you happy,” said Fitzhugh, “so you’ll be excited to go to work every day.”  

Mentoring is particularly important right now, said Thurm, as everyone struggles to balance their lives with their careers during the pandemic. It’s important “to be there doing it, showing women that it can be done, being a role model for the next generation.”

NIH Women Scientists Advocate for Equity

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A screen shot shows women, in their homes, discussing work during a virtual video lecture.
Clockwise from upper right: Dr. Gisela Storz of NICHD; moderator Dr. Erika Barr of OITE; Dr. Courtney Fitzhugh of NHLBI; Dr. Audrey Thurm of NIMH; Dr. Paule Joseph of NIAAA/NINR and the sign language interpreter

At the EDI Women in Science webinar, panelists also emphasized long-term challenges facing women in science careers. 

NHLBI’s Dr. Courtney Fitzhugh and NICHD’s Dr. Gisela Storz discussed the challenge of gaining respect and equity as women scientists.

A few weeks ago, Fitzhugh—an investigator with a medical degree—was invited to join a committee and speak about her work experience with transplants. On the virtual panel discussion, she recounted, the male doctor speaking before her was properly introduced but she felt snubbed when the moderator introduced her as Courtney Fitzhugh, omitting her physician credential. 

“I shouldn’t have to remind people that I’m where I am today for a reason, not because I’m a woman, but because I’ve worked really hard,” and earned it, she said.

Storz, when starting her career 30 years ago, remembers hearing the hopeful mantra that the scientific workforce is changing for women, becoming more inclusive. Looking back, though, little has changed over the years, she said.

“Something that has frustrated me now, being in this business [a long time] is how glacial the change has been in terms of increasing the number of women in leadership positions, not to mention the people of diverse backgrounds,” she said. 

“At one point in my career, I was too frustrated by that as well as some inequities regarding space and salaries. I went to NIH leadership and I said, ‘There needs to be a committee to look at this.’” Storz helped organize what became the NIH equity committee, established in 2017, to look at salaries, resources and leadership diversity among the institutes and centers.

Lecture moderator Dr. Erika Barr of OITE commended the panelists for their work to inspire women to enter the field. 

“One of the impressive things about all of you,” she said, “is that you are doers. Whenever we think about increasing diversity, having that pipeline, often we say we want to diversify and have more women and more people of color,” and you’re helping to get it done and change the culture.

“We have a lot of work to do…but changes are happening,” said NIAAA/NINR tenure-track investigator Dr. Paule Joseph. She has appreciated seeing more women in leadership positions. “It’s a great inspiration to be able to see especially senior women scientists and say, ‘I can be there one day.’”

NIMH’s Dr. Audrey Thurm hopes more women continue entering biomedical science careers. “This is where the action is, here at NIH,” she said, “and women need to be in the action. They need to be in it to continue to change attitudes, science and then policy.”—Dana Talesnik

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